There is one game that I am sure that all moms have played. That game is the comparison game.
You know when you look at another mom and think that she is better than you because she is skinner than you and makes perfect Pinterest-worthy lunches every day for her kids.
Or maybe it is subtle, like when you’re at work and think that Becky’s house must be so much cleaner than yours because her desk is always organized. Those comparison thoughts mess with us all.
So what do you do when you are comparing and feel like you don’t measure up?
First, listen to this episode with my guest Laurie from This ORGANIZED Life. She shares:
- Her experience with why moms compare themselves and begin to feel like they don’t measure up
- Practical tips to help get unstuck when you feel like you don’t measure up
- Underlying issues that we may have when we feel like we don’t measure up.
Are you ready to change the narrative and start feeling empowered? Listen to this episode now.
Laurie Palau is the author of the book HOT MESS: A Practical Guide to Getting Organized, host of the popular weekly podcast, This ORGANIZED Life, and the founder of simply B organized where she speaks, teaches and works one-on-one with clients to help them reduce clutter and live a more organized life.
Connect with Laurie
- Website: simplyborganized.com
- Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/simplyBorganized
- Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1840271626300032
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/simplyborganized/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/smplyBorganized
- Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/smplyborganized/
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Real Happy Mom 0:04
You are listening to the real happy mom podcast, the weekly podcast, inspiration and practical tips. My name is Ray are listening to Episode 166. Well, hey there and welcome back to another episode of The Real happy mom podcast. Super excited to have you back especially for this episode. Today we are going to be talking about all about when you feel like you don’t measure up. And today I have a very special guest that is going to help us with dealing with those feelings and some of the ways that we can overcome that. Now, before we get into this week’s episode, I don’t want you to forget or not hear about the real happy mom, Facebook community. If you head on over to Real happy mom.com/community You can join me over there, where is the after party to the podcast, where there is more encouragement and inspiration, as well as monthly trainings on Trello on how you can utilize Trello, which is a project management software system to actually make you more productive, to help with systematizing your life as well as just making things a whole lot easier for you. So join me over there in the real happy mom Facebook community. That’s real happy mom comm slash community to join me over there. I don’t want you to miss out on that. All right. Now, this week’s episode is a very, very good one. This is one that I know I had to listen to multiple times because no matter where you get in life, I feel like there’s always those thoughts and feelings that are either the imposter syndrome or feeling like who are you or you’re not doing enough actually comes up. So this is definitely one you want to bookmark. Keep on repeat, I promise you is going to help you out so so much. So let’s go ahead and jump on into this week’s episode. I’m super excited to have Lori on so Loy, thank you for coming on. And welcome to the podcast.
Oh my gosh, thanks so much for having me. I’m very excited to be here.
Real Happy Mom 2:10
Yes, yes, I am super pumped to talk about to you just because I have heard you speak before. I didn’t tell you this before. And I listened to your podcast before we even met. And I was like, she seems like such a cool person. I want to talk to her. So I finally get to talk to you. So I’m super excited to have you on. Oh, thank
you. Well, I am right back at your sister.
Real Happy Mom 2:32
Now today, I definitely wanted to focus on our conversation on removing the power of not measuring up because I know that this is something that I have to like constantly keep myself in check about and I know we talked about this on your podcast about how a lot of times we feel like we’re unicorns. And this is just unique to us. But No Mom, this is something that we all I think have at least had some dealing with. And I definitely wanted to hear what you had to say about it. But before we jump into that topic, I just want you to share a little bit about you and what you do.
Yeah, absolutely. So I am well, let me just say personally, I’m a mom of two bigs. So I have an 18 year old and a 21 year old, which is still like kind of surreal when I say it. And I’ve been married to my husband for almost 23 years. On the outside, it just looks all great. And he’s awesome. And we’ve got a wonderful marriage, but like anybody else again, when you talk about the power of measuring up I think we hold ourselves to these crazy standards and but we it’s it’s been a road and I’m happy to be there with him. And then professionally, I run a company called simply be organized. It’s we wear a lot of different hats. And it’s always that loaded question of when people what do you do? I started as a professional organizer, helping people in homes, declutter and develop systems. And from there, it really grew into speaking and writing and under helping other people understand different types of clutter, what that looks like and doing a lot of consulting. And now I coach and mentor other professional organizers, and help them grow their businesses because I think that there’s so much shame that comes around when it comes to the topic of organization. And that leads right in beautifully to our topic. And what that looks like and thinking about why we want to do the things that we’re doing. Why do we want to get organized, what does that look like? Well, what the finds an organized life. And I host a podcast with that title, disorganized life and talk to people about what that really means. And again, why are we doing the things that we’re doing what really matters in our lives, what’s really important, and I just want people to in the end, whatever you do, whether you’re a stay at home mom, a working mom, single person, whatever it is, I want you to just feel like you’re beating and not let stuff stand in the way a of you being the best version of yourself.
Real Happy Mom 5:09
Yes, yes. And I’m just wondering, with this whole topic of not measuring up, is there a certain time or a story that you feel like I led you to be able to talk about this here often?
Oh, gosh, well, you know, I and so, a lot of the work that I do has to do with Well, in my most recent years, a lot of the work that I have to do has to do with personality types. And I’m pretty, um, I do a lot of work surrounding the Enneagram. And so it’s personality typology and talks about different people’s motivation. And measuring up was not something that I found that I personally struggled with. And now that I understand the Enneagram, I think it has a lot to do with my Enneagram type, because I kind of just, I don’t care, because of course, I care about other people. But I’m not overly concerned about what other people are doing. But what I noticed when I first started my business is that so many people were just comparing themselves, it’s that whole, like, keeping up with the Joneses. And early on in my career I wrote this article about are the Joneses, and why do we want to keep up with them. And it was really about we have these false narratives that we tell ourselves. And when I first started my business, I saw these people that had these really amazing lives, they had great kids, they had a beautiful home, they had all of these things are on the surface, they had health, like really what’s really important, but yet, they felt inferior. They felt like they weren’t measuring up, I didn’t drive as nice a car, I’m not as skinny as she is, I’m not, you know, we don’t go on this nice vacation, whatever it is fill in the blank. And I was like, why are people struggling with this. And I found that for a lot of people, it was tied to material things, it was tied to that that not measuring up was based on stuff that they saw that at the end of the day didn’t really matter. And so that it’s for me, when I work with people, or when I talk to them, I always am just like what truly matters to you what is really important, what are we measuring this against, because there’s so much smoke and mirrors that we see out there, especially with social media. And again, social media gets a bad rap. I’m not trying to sit there and and bash it. But it’s very easy for us to just start to compare ourselves to what we see in this two dimensional world. And, unfortunately, that for a lot of people that can do more harm than good.
Real Happy Mom 7:32
Yeah, you brought up something really, really good here, because you made me kind of talk a little bit when you’re talking about comparing yourselves and keeping up with the Joneses. Because I didn’t realize like I had like such a bad problem with this. And I think I’ve told this story before on the podcast. So forgive me if you’re listening to this bird, but don’t take time. But there was a period of time I remember I had a conversation with my mom. And we were just sitting around the kitchen talking. And I was just telling her how I had to get on Facebook because I was comparing myself to this girl from high school. And she was like, why are you doing that? She was like you have everything you want. And when I looked around, I was like, You’re right. Like I have you know, a home I have a car may not have been exactly what I wanted. But I had the career I had the kids, the family, I have everything that I ever dreamed about and everyone but yet still, I was comparing myself and didn’t feel like I was good enough or it wasn’t, or what I had wasn’t good enough. So I know that a lot of times we do this a lot. And I I’m with you on the whole social media thing. But I really feel like it’s easy to for things to flip into the negative when you’re looking at it too long. And you’re starting to compare yourself to someone else. Like, sometimes I think that being jealous of someone is good because it helps you to identify like what and someone else you want or what it is that you desire that you don’t have and someone else but it can really flip into something really bad really quick, if you let it so I’m glad you brought up about social media, because it does get a bad rap. But I think that there is some healthy ways for us to indulgent it without it turning into that. So just wondering, like, I know, you said that you don’t necessarily struggle with it so much, but especially the your clients in particular, like Is it certain things I know you said material things, but is it certain things that trigger people to start comparing themselves or feeling like they’re not measuring up?
Yeah. And let me just put a disclaimer, I’m not immune from this as well. I mean, I definitely there have been people. For me it’s more on a professional level where I’m like, Oh, I you know, I feel like I should be further along or or you know, other people that I’ve been like, you know what, I’m gonna unfollow them because I feel like it’s unhealthy for me. It’s a knee problem, none of them problem, you know, so I’m not immune to it. But again, there are certain things that I guess when it comes to material things. That is not an area that I particularly struggle with. I saw that as a recurring theme, with a lot of my clients where it was very material things where they were looking for material things to kind of fill that void of like, I want to measure up. So So and so has this, I’m going to get that. And that is not necessarily that’s not going to bring you the joy that you think it does. And so I saw that as a recurring theme for people on whether it was for themselves, or trying to fill that void for their kids of I want to be, I want to be the parent. So that Christmas, oh, when hoverboards were popular, everybody in their mother got your kids are younger. So I don’t know if they were around for that. But like, everyone’s got hoverboards. And everyone and like that was they play with them for like two months, or whatever it was if that I didn’t have any hoverboards I’ve donated over the course of my professional life, just because you forgetting them? Because that’s what everybody got. You know. So I think that there’s all it can it can look at itself in so many different ways. But I forgetting what your original question was. So I apologize. I just wanted to clarify the fact that I’m not immune from it.
Real Happy Mom 11:05
No, no, no, that was good. That was good. No, just want to know, what is it anything in particular that like triggers people are that you notice that his certain things, or whether it be on the internet or at work or whatever it is that may trigger them not measuring up feeling?
Yeah, I mean, again, I think I’m going to speak to who my core demographic is, right, because I can’t speak to everybody. So my core demographic are women age, like 35 to 55. Most of them have kids, not all, but somewhere in that, you know, we’re raising kids, kind of people, and most of the women that I work with have some sort of identity outside their kids, whether it’s a full time career or volunteer work, whatever it is. And so I think there’s a few things that I see where people struggle, I think, again, we have this image of what we think is supposed to be, and a lot of that does come from what we see on social media, oh, this is so and so’s Thanksgiving table or, or this is how they, you know, are this is the vacation that they’re taking. And so they feel like they are putting all this pressure on themselves to measure up to something that really, it might not be what’s truly important to them. So I do think that there is a lot of pressure from social media that people put on themselves. I just think consumerism in general, and I’m not a minimalist, right. So I don’t, that’s not my lane. I mean, I do think having stuff with intentions really important. But just we are constantly bombarded with information on whether it’s apps that are going to solve our problem, a product that’s going to solve our problem, you know, oh, you’re just organized, let’s buy this bin or basket or whatever. And that doesn’t really get to the root of the problem. It’s just a band aid fix. So not that those things can’t help. But I think when we look to the wrong things to try to, when we’re looking to stuff to fix our problems, as opposed to saying what can we do? What’s the what’s the work that we need to do and really define what’s important. And you said something that was so, so smart on my podcast, when we were talking about kind of like working backwards? Like why are we doing this? Like, what is the reason? What are we trying to achieve? And when we have those conversations, it really takes a lot of the pressure off because we think we’re supposed to be doing, you know, XY and Z to move our business along, or we’re supposed to be doing X, Y, you know, a, b and c to, you know, help our kids or whatever it is. But is that really what we need to be doing in this season of our life? I don’t know. But I think we have to have those conversations as opposed to just be reactive. I think as a society, we just are very reactive. Because we’re, like I said, constantly bombarded by, you know, things at our fingertips.
Real Happy Mom 14:09
Yes, yes, so many good things that you pointed out here. And I didn’t even think about all of the things that we are constantly being like as far as like, even advertisements and things like that and even think about how those things can impact us too. But as soon as you said I was like, Oh yeah, as soon as I saw that video about whatever it was some waist trainer, of course, I started looking at my stomach and thinking like, man, like you need to do some work. But I didn’t have those thoughts until I started seeing all of those ads. So definitely like that you brought that up too. So at least now I can pay attention when things do come up. But I like how you said to that we look to stuff to fix our problems instead of looking within ourselves. So I’m just wondering like, what are some either steps or questions that we can ask ourselves so that we can stop doing this cycle of feeling like we’re not measuring up, but starts really addressed some of those issues that may be underlying in there that we probably don’t even know are there.
Absolutely. So but before I answer that, can I just add one other thing that I, that is, I think something that is really important when it comes to that whole comparison game, play with ourselves. And then we can certainly, you know, kind of talk about that the next step, we have a tendency to look at our own flaws, whatever that is, right. I’m too short, my boobs are too big, my boobs are too small, I’ve got big hips, I’ve got no hips, I’ve got whatever it is, right. And we look at that on other people. So for me, I know, I’m always looking, I always thought I have let me so as soon as I look at somebody else, I’m like, Oh, she is skinny hips, right? Doesn’t matter. She could have, you know, somebody else could have, you know, acne all over and a million other things. But it doesn’t matter. I don’t care, because I’m judging them based on the part of myself that I don’t like. And you could fill in the blank for whatever, she’s got straight hair, she has curly hair, whatever it is. But we always look to the part of ourselves that we are most insecure with. And that could also play into our homes, right? If we are, or whatever it is, our lives, whatever that is, or our careers fill in the blank, we look to the part of ourselves that we are most insecure about. And that we are gravitated to somebody to somebody else as where they are in that in that particular area. And we judge based on that they are successful because, right or they’re winning because, or I’m jealous of her because, but what we’re not taking into account is all of the other things that you have that are amazing that they might not be thriving, right. So I could sit there and go, Oh, my gosh, I’m, you know, 30 pounds overweight, this that the other thing, but somebody else might go, Oh my God, you’ve got beautiful skin and great teeth and great hair. And I’m like, but who cares about that I’m 30 pounds overweight, and somebody else who is struggling with something else, because who cares that you’re 30 pounds overweight, you got all these other great things. So we’re not comparing apples to apples, we look at each other based on where we see our own flaws. And that is the sixth cycle that we all tend to do. So it’s about going, Oh, but these are the good things that I have. So to kind of lead into the next part is, you know, let instead of nitpicking the areas of our homes of our lives of ourselves of our careers, where we feel like we’re not measuring up, I challenge you to write down what are the things that are working? Like, what are the things that maybe I’m taking for granted, but that are really good in my life, and putting those down? Because that’s what somebody else is looking at you. You know, someone’s looking at me going, Oh, my God, she’s got a podcast. And she does this. And she does that. And I’m like, Yeah, but there’s a million other things that I’m a hot mess about. So starting with yourself, and doing the tough work to look at where you’re winning, or where you’re thriving.
Real Happy Mom 18:15
Yes, love that love that reminds me of. I forgot who it was that I saw it. But they were saying how a lot of times we look at our to do list and we’ll say like, Oh, we didn’t get anything done. But instead of making a to do list, make a done list, and you’ll see all the things you did get done. And you’ll be like, Man, I was killing it today. And I
love that. I love that. Yes. So as soon as you said I’m like, Yeah, I do have a lot going on. I am doing pretty good. And yeah, my belly might be a little big. And that waist trainer may not work. But I think I got good skin like you said and the nice smile like, Man, there is a lot that I really did overlook as soon as you said that. It Yeah, it opened my eyes. So that was so good. I love it. Well, yeah, no, absolutely. Because again, it’s life is so short. And we think about like I think back again. So wayto is a big thing for me. Right? So comparing myself for other people, but it could be for whatever it is, you know. And I remember looking at pictures of myself when I was in my 20s. And at the time, I thought I was fat. And I look at myself and I’m like, Oh my gosh, if I could only look like that again. Right? And it’s you know, that’s, I feel like we can apply that to so many things like in our lives, whether it’s our careers, or our families or our homes or whatever it is the things that we want, like oh my gosh, like it’s not that we don’t go through tough seasons because we absolutely do but sometimes we don’t take enough time to really recognize even if it is a tough season. There are these like really good, like nuggets of wisdom and things that we can look to to help motivate us to keep going as supposed to continue to cut ourselves down and compare ourselves because, you know, that’s I, you know, for me, it’s, it’s really, it makes me sad. And when I see people when I would go to, especially when I was in homes a lot, one of the things that really struck me was how much self shame and doubt and feelings of insecurity and not measuring up women had. And like to the point where they wouldn’t want to entertain or have people over their house, because they felt like it was cluttered or not perfect, or whatever. And I’m like, it doesn’t really matter. Like, that’s not what’s important. And if this stuff is bothering you, we can work to get rid of it, or reduce it or organize it or whatever needs to happen. But don’t not live your life. Don’t let your stuff handcuff you from having healthy relationships, because I think at the end, that’s really what’s so important for everybody.
Real Happy Mom 20:56
Yes, definitely. And, and I love how you, you shape that in the in the lens of you know, in the home, but um, you know, I talked to the working moms. So I know, with working moms, we struggle with this too at work, when we’re comparing ourselves to either our boss or have their team members or things like that. So would you say the same thing applies there?
100% 100%. I think any, any environment that you’re in, on the regular, you can compare yourself to the person next to you, the person in front of you, but we often forget, well, there’s always that person that might be behind you that’s looking to you, you know, and that we always we tend to say, well, and I think it’s if it’s done in a healthy way, like how can I challenge myself to be a better version of myself? That’s great. How can I work towards the level that that he or she is? Right, that’s great. There’s nothing wrong with that. But when we do it, we’re we’re cutting ourselves down, as opposed to I’m not good enough. That’s when we need to tweak our language and recognize that people are watching us. You know, it’s often we forget that people are watching and we’re so busy comparing ourselves to what somebody else do we forget that somebody out there might be comparing themselves to you.
Real Happy Mom 22:19
Oh, yes, yes. And remember that story, I was telling you that I had the conversation with my mom, like that same week, like one of my friends reached out to me was like, Yeah, Tony, and like, you just got it all together. And this, and I’m like, Girl, like, no, but I didn’t realize that she was looking at me. And so the same thing really does apply, like the way that we look at others and compare others someone else is probably doing to us too. And that’s what kind of keeps me grounded too, as well, to remind myself, like, you know, Tony, and like, may not have everything you want. But you definitely got a lot of things that you do want, and you’re doing it pretty good. So I don’t beat myself up too much about it. But I love everything that you’ve been bringing, I love how you have definitely opened my eyes up. And I know moms listening are probably feeling the same way. So yes, thank you, Laurie, for all of this. This is really, really, really good. But I’m just wondering if there’s anything else around this topic of not measuring up? Or any words of encouragement that you wanted to give us mom’s here before we signed on?
Yeah, no, absolutely. So just kind of like, again, just a couple of practical things. So if there if you find that you’re comparing yourselves, there’s different settings, right? Where we are, we’re we’re going to be comparing ourselves. Obviously, if it’s something that you’re that’s on social media, I know this may sound obvious, get off of it, or unfollow those people, plain and simple. I was just hosting a work retreat for a dozen professional organizers that I mentor, and one of the women in the group was saying, you know, she was struggling with feeling like she wasn’t measuring up to somebody else who’s doing this that’s in her town, and this person appears to be more successful, whatever that looks like, again, through the lens of through the lens of social media. And so after the conversation, she was like, You know what, I’m just gonna follow her, there’s no reason for me to, to continue seeing this because all it’s doing is perpetuating this, this, what could be a false narrative. And so if you find that, whether it’s somebody from high school, or someone in your town, or whatever it is, or a colleague unfollowed them, like there’s just don’t even say it because there’s no reason for you to, to, you know, subject yourself to that. Obviously, if it’s a real life situation, and you and you are around these people, I think it’s really important to again, think about your goals and values, what is it that you want, because, especially if it’s in the workplace, your goals matter. might not be to climb the corporate ladder to the way somebody else’s, you know, you may want more work life integration with your family. So again, knowing being clear on what your values are, and what you’re trying to get out of work, or what you want for your future is really important. And so I recommend doing like writing that down, like, what are the things that are really important to me? And am I living that out? Am I being authentic to my values? Am I being true? And are the values that I’m doing helping me get to my goals? Or am I setting goals that really don’t have anything to do with my values, because I think that’s what my goal should be. So it’s having that introspective conversation of saying, really, at the end of the day, what really is important, you know, what really do I do, am I looking for in the season of my life, and that can change, you know, if you’re a working mom with little kids, you might say, you know, what I need to I really want to be there, I want to be present for certain things. And that might mean, I’m not going to take that promotion right now, or I’m not going to do that. And that’s okay. And that doesn’t mean that you’re not measuring up, it means that you’re being true to your values in this season of your life. And then in a few years, things may pivot, they might change. And you might say, You know what, now I can, you know, tip the scales a little bit and invest more time at work, because I feel like, you know, I’ve gotten our family to a place where we need to be, or maybe you’re caring for, you know, an aging parent. And there are things that are going to take precedent. And so just being very clear on why you’re doing what you’re doing is really important and adapting your goals. Because sometimes we set these goals and we think that they’re like that they have to stay true, always. And I think our goal should be fluid, I think we should revisit them. Just like you talk about routines, and resetting and rebooting, I think it’s important for us to look at that. And do it on a, you know, a routinely basis. Um, you know, you’re not going to necessarily do it weekly. But I mean, at least at least once a year, maybe quarterly, you know, where am I in this particular season? Or wherever this is, and then you can say, make educated decisions based on facts, as opposed to just based on feelings.
Real Happy Mom 27:28
Yes, yes. I’m loving all of that. Oh, send over here like yes, and amen. Especially when you’re talking about being true to yourself. Because that is like, my a theme song over here is like that. And that’s the whole thing with being a real happy mom, like you have to be true and authentic with yourself before you can, you know, do that outside with everyone else. So I love, love, love all of that. And especially with adapting your goals. I was even thinking when you said that I was like, yeah, definitely need to. I check in with myself quarterly because I actually do my goals quarterly, I stopped doing your long goals and six month goals. And I just focus on one quarter at a time. And I talk about all the time I still planner, because it really follows that whole 12 week year, and helps me to, like you said, focus on where I want to be in this season instead of trying to do everything, because we really can’t. So I love all of this. You have given me so many good things. And I’m like, yes, yes, yes. Got this. And I’m over here taking notes like a frantic person, you you can’t see me, but I’m over here taking a bunch of notes.
I do that I do the same thing. People have anybody that watches my show on YouTube, if they don’t like when we switch to video, I go, Oh my gosh, it’s the first thing I said to my producers, they’re gonna see me writing down because I learned so much from whenever I have any of my guests on so I feel you.
Real Happy Mom 28:44
Yes, yes, definitely. This was really, really good. And I really enjoyed this conversation and learning from you. And I know that there’s moms listening who wants to get more of what you have or hear more about the organizing part two, because I know that’s something that we haven’t talked about. So I’ll probably be bringing you back to help us out with that. But where can we find you online if we want to connect with you learn more about you?
Yeah, absolutely. So the the best place to go is my website, which is like my central hub for all of the things and that’s simply the letter B like boy organized.com Simply be organized, calm. I’m at social media at simply be organized so you can find me there. I also host this organized life podcast. So obviously you’ve got podcast listeners, so you can just head on over to wherever you listen to podcasts and check out that our show there. And yeah, everything is there in my book and all the things are found on the website. So that’s the best place that I’d love to to hear from people. And again, I know we didn’t really talk about it. A lot of the stuff that I do really kind of funnels back to clutter and really how clutter is a roadblock for what makes us truly happy and Again, we didn’t really talk about it on the show, but I talked about three different types of clutter, your physical clutter, the stuff that you see your emotional clutter, which is like the guilt and the fear. And then what I call calendar clutter, which so many people, especially working moms struggle with, which is being over scheduled and trying to do all the things. And so I’ve a fun free quiz on the website. And I’ll give, I’ll give you the link that you can put in your show notes for our clutter quiz if people want to see like what their more dominant type of clutter is, because I always try to start there. And then from there, once you can identify that then you can develop strategies to try to work through it because I think like so many things people want to people want to fix, how can I fix this? What’s the best way to do this? And until you can really know the root of your problem or the root of where you’re struggling, it’s it’s hard to find the right strategy. And so again, just a fun little thing to get you thinking about maybe clutter being just the the symptom not the root.
Real Happy Mom 31:05
Yeah, yeah. And I heard you speak about the the three different types of clutter. So so good. And calendar clutter was mine. Love that, and I’m definitely gonna need you to come back on and talk to us about that. Yeah,
Real Happy Mom 31:21
But Lloyd, thank you again for coming on. Of course, I’m gonna have Lori back on again. So don’t you worry. Cuz we got to talk more about this clutter business but definitely really ready to go when it comes to to not measuring up. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Real Happy Mom 31:43
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